Saturday, July 17, 2010

Talking honestly about a full range of issues

The church is the people of God. As such, within the church there should be open and honest dialogue about tough issues. And the dialogue, though it might still be hard, should still be safe because there's an underlying sense that we are family, forgiven in God's sight, and though still fallible, we're still working toward a common goal of glorifying God -- in part by being able to have really hard discussions and still loving each other through it.

That's the ideal, at least. Instead the discussions within the church are often either surface-level or hit only upon the hard issues with the understood undertone that everyone should agree about the issue and we know it's the heathen who are against us on this. (Any suspicion that someone within our own membership stands with the heathen on a particular issue is so unsettling that the conversation is often quickly changed.) 

On the one hand, it's very hard to have tough conversations together. Very few people look forward to something like that. But on the other hand, having a tough discussion and having it turn out well, where you learn something that you didn't know, or come away with more understanding for a fellow member of the church, is a wonderful thing. If we knew that every hard discussion would come out with such a positive ending, perhaps we'd jump into them much more readily.

John Alexander said that he believes that eating together is a sign of a healthy church. (By the way, I should add that within the church that John was a part of, the entire congregation eats together every Sunday evening. They also eat together in smaller groups several times during the week.) Along the same lines of eating together was being together in general. Not only do many congregations not do much together throughout the week, but within some congregations there is so much turn-over that it's very hard to form a cohesive sense of community within the group. 

Rob and I were members of a church in San Francisco that had about 400 members. Some friends of ours moved away to Kansas but came back for a short visit a few months after they had moved. We saw them after the service and they spoke briefly to us but then excused themselves to go say hi to several other friends. They returned awhile later saying that they were unable to find anyone else they knew! They had only been gone a few months and already the turnover was so great that though they had been in the church for at least a year before leaving, they were unable to find people they had known from when they lived in the area. That astounded me. (I knew there was a high turnover rate, and that I was having a very hard time feeling connected to anyone, but this brought it all home with a very specific example of the problem.) 

John Alexander points out that in a church with such a high turn-over rate, especially if we only see each other once a week on Sunday mornings, it is very unlikely that folks will get to the meaty issues of life. We may hear the pastor preach on something that's a tough issue, but then do we get a chance to talk to others in the body about our own thoughts on that issue or how we're dealing with that problem in our own lives? John asks, Do we, as a church, "talk honestly about a full range of tough issues?" That line particularly got me to thinking. I know that high turn-over rates are a problem. That's one thing that I like about our church is that there are people who have been in the congregation for twenty years, and even many of the "newcomers" have been around for upwards of 3 or 4 years or longer. (We've been members of the church for almost 9 years.) But has that familiarity led to a better ability to work through hard issues together? 

Sometimes I feel like in Sunday School or the gals Bible study we'll hit on a tough issue. And sometimes we really do have good, solid discussions on them. But there are other issues that we seem to skirt around as a congregation. So, while our congregation has the non-transient thing down pretty well, I think we still struggle with the "full range of tough issues" area. Our pastor has brought up some forums in which we might be able to tackle some of the harder discussions, but I can't say that there's been a stampede to dive in. 

And it's certainly not just our congregation. I'm sure this is a problem throughout the world. Which is a shame. God's people, of all folks, should be able to address each other in love and compassion and a thoughtfulness that enables really heavy and deep and hard conversations to take place in such a way that healing and growth and unity can occur. 

Philippians 2:1-4 If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose. Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others.

My interests may not be the same as someone else's. In fact, it's quite possible that my interests conflict with someone else's. But if we are to be a body, to work together as individual bits formed and shaped into one entity, the body of Christ, then shouldn't we take time out to consider the interests of others? To discuss those interests with them and gain a better understanding of where each other is coming from? ... well, of course. And I'm sure we all would even agree on that, though the thought of sitting down and actually doing as much can be a bit daunting. 

Which really gets to the heart of the question, I suppose. What can we do to get more of this "talking honestly about a full range of issues" happening? How can we foster this sort of thing both in the local church as well as the church national or the church global? Have you seen hard discussions talked out in a loving way among believers? What helped to foster that? 

6 comments:

  1. yes, you're right, I'm sure we would all agree in theory about how important it is to do this, but actually doing it can be super daunting.

    thinking aloud: I'm a blogger and on the computer screen I'm happy to speak my mind, and to get into discussions with others who might disagree with me - it's interesting and... relative to the idea of doing the same face to face with people in my church, very non-threatening.

    as soon as I'm there face to face with these people, it gets so much more awkward - I have so much more to lose. fear of rejection kicks in. what if someone thinks my ideas are heretical? (I'm sure someone somewhere is bound to think that about at least some of my ideas.) or what if someone feels that I'm judging them, just because I happen to strongly believe that something they happen to like doing is wrong (this has been known to happen) - it's so hard to separate out our thoughts and ideas and opinions from our identity as people, we so often take it personally if someone thinks we're wrong.

    and it's even scarier if the person who disagrees with you is someone whose friendship you value and you don't know if they're robust enough to cope with disagreeing.

    and what if the pastor says I'm wrong? that's super scary.

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  2. "Sometimes I feel like in Sunday School or the gals Bible study we'll hit on a tough issue. And sometimes we really do have good, solid discussions on them. But there are other issues that we seem to skirt around as a congregation. So, while our congregation has the non-transient thing down pretty well, I think we still struggle with the "full range of tough issues" area. Our pastor has brought up some forums in which we might be able to tackle some of the harder discussions, but I can't say that there's been a stampede to dive in."

    Agreed. But, as I've learned over the years, it takes 3-5 years to change the overall culture of the church. It took almost 5 years at one church to lead them toward actually discussing tough matters. To do so was extremely frightening to them because it might mean people would see them as imperfect. Of course they/we are, but the unspoken, ingrained culture said that if you were a serious and real Christian you really didn't have heavy, deep, problems (especially with sin).

    The answer was to keep pushing the envelope, so to speak, toward biblical change by discussing it, applying it, and reinforcing it by demonstrating why it's a advantageous and a blessing. The reason why I left is because the leaders fought hard and pushed back against the change. When we left, so did 95% of the people who agreed with what biblical community and fellowship really looks like.

    The other challenge is that our families are so dog-gone busy. However, I am encouraged that O & C are trying to find good ways to fellowship: boating, picnics, ice cream socials, etc. Those are entry level ways to get to know each other. Without getting to know people, then folks will not feel safe to express what's on their hearts or to open themselves up and risk getting hurt or being rejected. We learned, while living in Louisiana, that when we had a fun event at our place 1/2 the folks would leave after a couple of hours of real fun. A few stayed around and things quieted down and almost always the discussions began to turn toward more serious subjects. It was after laughing and eating together that we ended up talking, venting, crying and praying with one another.

    We do need to find more different and frequent venues for fellowship. Some people will never want that. Others will slowly embrace it. Others crave it.
    We do need to have spontaneous events (as O & C are doing), but given our people, we also need to have planned events 6 weeks in advance and then promote it on a personal level, not merely through announcements.

    When we planted the church in Salinas, and our small group really wanted to have a closing worship service but didn't want to travel the 30 minutes most people traveled, we ended up having service, having lunch together, and then having a less formal service (still with preaching) after that. It made for a 9-3 day, but most people stayed and really enjoyed it. Half of us really got much out of it because we opened our lives to each other. Others never did.

    I also started a monthly men's night out. It was held in Carmel. We called it the men's PCA night (pipes, cigars and alcohol), but it was a time to sit around a small campfire outside and solve the world's issues. We always had a preselected talking point or issue to discuss, but as conversations go, we ended up discussing all sorts of good stuff. It was a great time. The men enjoyed it so much that we started bi-weekly events. I hear they have continued the tradition but include men and women, and the turnout has been great.

    So, long answer to: it will take a while to get to where you see we need to go (which is biblical), but we will get there.

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  3. i think fun events are really important. they make the "getting comfortable with each other" part so much easier. and you can't get deeper till you're at least somewhat comfortable with someone.

    of course, there's always exceptions. rob will dive right into a serious discussion with someone whether he's "comfortable" with them or not.

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  4. we met cathy through a friend that is a member of the same church in the bay area. she and her husband work for campus crusade and we met them when they were in fort collins a few years back. (crusade does a regular training dealie here every other year.)

    cathy just wrote a blog post on community. i find two things interesting about her post. one is that she wants the same safe place to be where she can talk about hard issues. (maybe this is a T thing. do the F's here wish for safe places where you can talk about emotional issues? that definitely wouldn't be something i'm interested in.) the other is that her post focuses on herself. on the one hand that's very honest and lays out clearly how she feels about her own need. on the other hand, it strikes me that community isn't always about me. sometimes it's about others and i might not get nearly as much out of it as the others do, but if i wasn't a participant we would all suffer from the lack of it.

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  5. lol... I can't speak for all Fs out there, but this particular F here is very interested in having a safe place where we can discuss issues, and I get really annoyed when people confuse a discussion of thoughts and opinions with emotional stuff.

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  6. You know, sometimes it's easier to discuss things with other Christians from other churches or fellowship than from our own church. And it certainly much much easier to discuss stuff online than face-to-face. I dunno... perhaps just a personal preference.

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